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== Famicom Adapters ==
== Famicom Adapters ==


Hori's "4-Players Adapter", when its switch is set to the "4" position, uses the same protocol as the Four Score above, with two changes:
Famicom expansion controllers attach extra controllers to D1 of $4016 and $4017. These may be used as players 3 and 4, though in 2-player games for the Famicom there is a convention to OR the D1 and D0 bits read to allow users to use an external controller as a substitute for the hard-wired ones.
 
=== Hori 4 Players Adapter ===
This adapter plugs into the Famicom 15-pin expansion port, and has 4 identical 15-pin ports on it to attach individual controllers. It has a mode switch with two settings, labelled "2" and "4". <ref>[//forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?p=237997#p237997 Forum post]: Analysis of ''Wit's'' controller reading, and speculation about the Hori 4 Players adapter.</ref> <ref>[//forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?p=238168#p238168 Forum post]: Discussion of Hori 4 Players support in ''Micro Mages''.</ref>
 
==== Mode 2 ====
More information needed.
 
==== Mode 4 ====
This is a very similar protocol to the ''Four Score'' adapter described above, with two differences:
# The serial stream comes through D1 rather than D0.
# The signature bytes swap ports, with $20 read via $4016 and $10 read via $4017
# The signature bytes swap ports, with $20 read via $4016 and $10 read via $4017
# The serial stream comes in on the next more significant bit.


As such, the "4-Players Adapter" actually ''adds'' four gamepads to the two built into the Famicom, potentially allowing six player games. However, not very many games seem to support it, and all of those combine the first two players inputs with those from the built-in controllers.
In this mode the ''4 Players Adapter'' actually adds 4 gamepads to the 2 built into the Famicom, potentially allowing 6-player games. However, its intended purpose seems to be offering 4-player support without requiring the hard-wired controllers.


== Hardware ==
== Hardware ==

Revision as of 21:57, 1 May 2019

The NES Four Score and NES Satellite accessories allow four NES controllers to be connected to the NES's two controller ports. Controllers connected to this accessory are read using the same process as the standard controller. After the normal 8 reads from one port to get one controller data, 8 more are done to get another controller.

Note that the NES Four Score is not compatible with the convention widely used on the Famicom, which connects the 3rd and 4th players to data bit 1 instead of bit 0. The Famicom has its own adapters with different protocol, such as the Hori 4 Players Adapter. See Famicom Adapters below.

D3 and D4 are not connected on the Four Score, so accessories like the Zapper and Power Pad will not work with it. The Satellite has a separate "CTLR GUN" mode switch to permit use of the Zapper. (The Four Score has a similar switch for 2-player mode, but it merely disables the multi-tap feature, it still can't pass the extra lines.)

On both devices there are additional switches for turbo fire on the A and B button reports, which apply to all 4 ports.

Protocol

Input ($4016 write)

7  bit  0
---- ----
xxxx xxxS
        |
        +- Controller shift register strobe

Writing 1 to this bit will record the state of each button on the controller. Writing 0 afterwards will allow the buttons to be read back, one at a time.


Output ($4016/$4017 read)

7  bit  0
---- ----
xxxx xxxD
        |
        +- Serial controller data
  1. Read $4016 8 times to get the 8 buttons for controller #1.
  2. Read $4016 8 more times to get the buttons for controller #3.
  3. Read $4016 8 more times to get the signature, $10.
  4. Read $4017 8 times to get the 8 buttons for controller #2.
  5. Read $4017 8 more times to get the buttons for controller #4.
  6. Read $4017 8 more times to get the signature, $20.

Button status for each controller is returned in the following order, as on the standard controller: A, B, Select, Start, Up, Down, Left, Right. 1 if pressed, 0 if not pressed.

The $10 and $20 signatures are sent most significant bit first. They can be used to detect 1. whether the Four Score switch is in the 4 player position and 2. whether a DMC sample fetch caused a bit deletion.

Controllers #3, #4, and the two signatures are only sent when the Four Score switch is in the 4 player position. When the switch is in the 2 player position those reads get the same result as a normal controller, either $00 or $FF depending on the controller.

Famicom Adapters

Famicom expansion controllers attach extra controllers to D1 of $4016 and $4017. These may be used as players 3 and 4, though in 2-player games for the Famicom there is a convention to OR the D1 and D0 bits read to allow users to use an external controller as a substitute for the hard-wired ones.

Hori 4 Players Adapter

This adapter plugs into the Famicom 15-pin expansion port, and has 4 identical 15-pin ports on it to attach individual controllers. It has a mode switch with two settings, labelled "2" and "4". [1] [2]

Mode 2

More information needed.

Mode 4

This is a very similar protocol to the Four Score adapter described above, with two differences:

  1. The serial stream comes through D1 rather than D0.
  2. The signature bytes swap ports, with $20 read via $4016 and $10 read via $4017

In this mode the 4 Players Adapter actually adds 4 gamepads to the 2 built into the Famicom, potentially allowing 6-player games. However, its intended purpose seems to be offering 4-player support without requiring the hard-wired controllers.

Hardware

If you find yourself in the situation where you want to use the Four Score electrical interface for a project, but don't want to use up a Four Score, you can simply use six shift registers instead. Daisy-chain three shift registers together:

If using 4021s:

           IC1                 IC2                 IC3
          .-\/-.              .-\/-.              .-\/-.
       1A |1 16| Vcc       3A |1 16| Vcc      Vcc |1 16| Vcc
       nc |2 15| 1B        nc |2 15| 3B        nc |2 15| Vcc
NES P1 D0 |3 14| 1Sl       ZZ |3 14| 3Sl       YY |3 14| Vcc¹
      1Up |4 13| 1St      3Up |4 13| 3St      Vcc |4 13| Gnd²
      1Dn |5 12| nc       3Dn |5 12| nc       Vcc |5 12| nc
      1Lt |6 11| from ZZ  3Lt |6 11| from YY  Vcc |6 11| Gnd
      1Rt |7 10| NES CLK  3Rt |7 10| NES CLK  Vcc |7 10| NES CLK
      Gnd |8  9| NES OUT  Gnd |8  9| NES OUT  Gnd |8  9| NES OUT
          '----'              '----'              '----'

If using 74'165s:

         IC1                   IC2                 IC3
        .-\/-.                .-\/-.              .-\/-.
NES OUT |1 16| Vcc    NES OUT |1 16| Vcc  NES OUT |1 16| Vcc
NES CLK |2 15| Gnd    NES CLK |2 15| Gnd  NES CLK |2 15| Gnd
    1St |3 14| 1Up        3St |3 14| 3Up     ²Gnd |3 14| Vcc
    1Sl |4 13| 1Dn        3Sl |4 13| 3Dn     ¹Vcc |4 13| Vcc
     1B |5 12| 1Lt         3B |5 12| 3Lt      Vcc |5 12| Vcc
     1A |6 11| 1Rt         3A |6 11| 3Rt      Vcc |6 11| Vcc
     nc |7 10| from ZZ     nc |7 10| from YY   nc |7 10| Gnd
    Gnd |8  9| NES P1 D0  Gnd |8  9| ZZ       Gnd |8  9| YY
        '----'                '----'              '----'

For players 2 and 4, repeat the above, but change:

  • NES P1 D0 becomes NES P2 D0
  • 1xx becomes 2xx
  • 3xx becomes 4xx
  • IC3 pins denoted with ¹ and ² are swapped

Compatible games

From NesCartDB:

  • Gauntlet II
  • Greg Norman's Golf Power
  • Harlem Globetrotters
  • Indy Heat
  • Kings of the Beach
  • Kunio-kun no Nekketsu Soccer League
  • M.U.L.E.
  • Magic Johnson's Fast Break
  • Monster Truck Rally
  • NES Play Action Football
  • A Nightmare on Elm Street
  • Nintendo World Cup (and multicarts that contain it)
  • R.C. Pro-Am II
  • Roundball: 2-on-2 Challenge
  • Smash T.V. (twin-stick for 2 players)
  • Spot
  • Super Jeopardy!
  • Super Off Road
  • Super Spike V'Ball
  • Swords and Serpents
  • Top Players' Tennis

Homebrew games:

  • Double Action Blaster Guys becomes Quadruple Action Blaster Guys when Four Score is connected
  • Spacey McRacey
  • Super PakPak

Tech demos:

  • Eighty
  • allpads
  1. Forum post: Analysis of Wit's controller reading, and speculation about the Hori 4 Players adapter.
  2. Forum post: Discussion of Hori 4 Players support in Micro Mages.