https://www.nesdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:FDS_disk_format&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:FDS disk format - Revision history2024-03-29T02:12:36ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.0https://www.nesdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:FDS_disk_format&diff=20454&oldid=prevFiskbit: Forgot to add message signature.2023-02-23T15:32:51Z<p>Forgot to add message signature.</p>
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</table>Fiskbithttps://www.nesdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:FDS_disk_format&diff=20452&oldid=prevRainwarrior: /* Removed Price field description */2023-02-23T03:11:58Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Removed Price field description</span></span></p>
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</table>Rainwarriorhttps://www.nesdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:FDS_disk_format&diff=20451&oldid=prevRainwarrior: /* Removed Price field description */ new section2023-02-23T03:07:26Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Removed Price field description: </span> new section</span></p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>== Removed Price field description ==<br />
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[https://www.nesdev.org/w/index.php?title=FDS_disk_format&curid=221&diff=20450&oldid=20399 This edit] by Fiskbit removed this Price field description with the comment: "Removes 'Price' section, which seems to have no backing."<br />
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::When the '''Disk rewrite count''' field is $00, the '''Price''' field represents the cost of a "new/original" disk. In this situation, a value of $01 means 3400円 (3400 yen), and a value of $03 also means 3400円 but includes peripherals. The example given by Enri in his Famicom Disk System documentation mentions the game [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%A8%E3%81%B3%E3%81%A0%E3%81%9B%E5%A4%A7%E4%BD%9C%E6%88%A6 とびだせ大作戦 (Tobidase Daisakusen/3D Worldrunner)], where both sales of the game with and without the [http://homepage3.nifty.com/poco-pen/s-te.htm とびだせメガネ (Tobidase 3D glasses)] cost 3400円. The reason for the delineation within the actual '''Price''' field is unknown.<br />
::When the '''Disk rewrite count''' field is $01, the '''Price''' field represents incurred costs of disk rewriting (such as that done by a Disk Writer kiosk). A value of $00 means 500円 (which appears to be specific to Mario Brothers via an in-box advertisement promising that all disk rewrites would only cost 500円), while a value of $01 means 600円.<br />
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This was added by Koitsu in [https://www.nesdev.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Computer_Disk_System&diff=2948&oldid=2947 this edit], with a comment that references [https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11519 this forum discussion].<br />
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I'm not making an argument for restoring this, at this point, but I wanted to document the source of it in case anyone thinks it's worth following up on. - [[User:Rainwarrior|Rainwarrior]] ([[User talk:Rainwarrior|talk]]) 03:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)</div>Rainwarrior