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:: Even if describing only what was, if it was used in a known homebrew, that makes it relevant (though it is stupid that the "known" homebrew was not named in the text, which seems in contradiction with "known"). I do think it's worth mentioning practical extensions of a mapper, provided they are clear-cut and natural extension, and not merely one of a billion other irrelevant possibilities. In this particular case, I think 512k UxROM is worth mentioning, but I don't think it's good to offer 5 different recipes for building the hardware. That's more confusing than it is helpful. We should not give users advice and alternatives based on the potential cost of chips, for example. That's a discussion to be had on the forums for the benefit of someone who actually wants to build it. For the wiki, this kind of stuff is just noise inhibiting comprehension of the page. - [[User:Rainwarrior|Rainwarrior]] ([[User talk:Rainwarrior|talk]])
:: Even if describing only what was, if it was used in a known homebrew, that makes it relevant (though it is stupid that the "known" homebrew was not named in the text, which seems in contradiction with "known"). I do think it's worth mentioning practical extensions of a mapper, provided they are clear-cut and natural extension, and not merely one of a billion other irrelevant possibilities. In this particular case, I think 512k UxROM is worth mentioning, but I don't think it's good to offer 5 different recipes for building the hardware. That's more confusing than it is helpful. We should not give users advice and alternatives based on the potential cost of chips, for example. That's a discussion to be had on the forums for the benefit of someone who actually wants to build it. For the wiki, this kind of stuff is just noise inhibiting comprehension of the page. - [[User:Rainwarrior|Rainwarrior]] ([[User talk:Rainwarrior|talk]])
Exactly what Rainwarrior said. Anything with the last bank which is not fixed in not mapper #2 and even less UxROM and have nothing to do on this page. "Oversize" variants are worth mentioning and they are already mentioned outside of this useless and confusing paragraph. Anyone with any tad of knownledge of electronics will know several ways of implementing them, there is no need to explain how to implement everything that "could be done" on this wiki.
[[User:Bregalad|Bregalad]] ([[User talk:Bregalad|talk]]) 01:07, 19 March 2014 (MDT)

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@lidnariq : Seriously, this paragraph was a bunch of shit, it is speculatively mentionning non-existant oversize variations, speculatively mentionning a multicart that never existed and speculatively talked about a non-existing mapper that isn't even mapper #2, cloning the SUROM behaviour but without a MMC1. Why did you re-insert it ? Is it any valuable when it comes to doccumenting the existing games/hardware and mappers ? Is the goal of this wiki to doccument existing things, or to speculate about what could have been done ? Bregalad (talk) 05:09, 18 March 2014 (MDT)

By now I'm starting to agree with you that because emulators have standardized on the behavior with the additional 7432, SUROM-style behavior belongs in a separate page, just as other multicart mappers get their own. Let Farid do what he does best. --Tepples (talk) 11:37, 18 March 2014 (MDT)
The entire point was that the cost of the second 74'32 can be exchanged for having every 16th bank be identical.
This is no different in scope than using an inverter to prevent bus conflicts.
Since UxROM uses discrete logic, it continues to be a perfectly viable target for physical production.
Saying the sole purpose of the wiki is to describe what was is to say that the sole purpose of the wiki is for archiving details necessary for emulation.
Finally, if you want me to take you seriously, try not cussing. —Lidnariq (talk) 12:56, 18 March 2014 (MDT)
Even if describing only what was, if it was used in a known homebrew, that makes it relevant (though it is stupid that the "known" homebrew was not named in the text, which seems in contradiction with "known"). I do think it's worth mentioning practical extensions of a mapper, provided they are clear-cut and natural extension, and not merely one of a billion other irrelevant possibilities. In this particular case, I think 512k UxROM is worth mentioning, but I don't think it's good to offer 5 different recipes for building the hardware. That's more confusing than it is helpful. We should not give users advice and alternatives based on the potential cost of chips, for example. That's a discussion to be had on the forums for the benefit of someone who actually wants to build it. For the wiki, this kind of stuff is just noise inhibiting comprehension of the page. - Rainwarrior (talk)

Exactly what Rainwarrior said. Anything with the last bank which is not fixed in not mapper #2 and even less UxROM and have nothing to do on this page. "Oversize" variants are worth mentioning and they are already mentioned outside of this useless and confusing paragraph. Anyone with any tad of knownledge of electronics will know several ways of implementing them, there is no need to explain how to implement everything that "could be done" on this wiki. Bregalad (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2014 (MDT)